In the meantime, one of the most important questions young comedians have is "How do I become a professional?" Like in all of show business, there is no specific or correct career path; but most of us generally pass through the following steps.
Phase 1: Open Miker
Stage Time: 3-10 minutes
Pay (per show): between zero and negative ten dollars
Experience: 0 to ten years
Oh, to be an open miker again, so innocent and pure, so full of optimism and hope. Actually, open mikers have it tough - long drives, lousy crowds, weeknight shows. It's not the two and a half hour drive to do three minutes in Charlotte that gets you - it's the drive back to make it home in time for work the next morning.
As an open miker, you learn the comedy ropes - write your first material, develop your style, and learn to negotiate good, bad, and (especially) indifferent crowds. At the open-mike level, you take stage time anywhere you can find it, make contacts with comedians, and work toward being recognized by the booker of the local club.
It should be noted that the term "open miker" often has a negative connotation. If you're a new, eager comedian with little or no experience, this does not apply to you. If you're in late thirties or forties, have three weak minutes, and have been doing comedy for seven years total since 1988, this definitely applies to you.
Open mikers have no credits and may or may not have decent material. They generally perform anywhere that will allow them.
Phase 2: Emcee
Stage Time: 8-15 minutes
Pay (per show): $25-$50
Experience: 1-4 years
The emcee at a comedy show essentially performs the same duties as the emcee at the Oscars, only for less money and a slightly smaller audience. An emcee opens the show with his or her material - usually eight to fifteen minutes, depending on the venue - and then introduces the feature and headliner. (Most comedy clubs outside New York and Los Angeles have three comedians: an emcee, a feature, and a headliner to close the show.)
Being an emcee is an excellent learning experience, as many comedians consider it the most difficult slot in the show. The emcee must meet the crowd "cold", manage the inevitable patrons who don't understand that THIS IS NOT @#$@#$ IMPROV AND THERE IS NO CROWD PARTICIPATION YOU BRAIN-DEAD REDNECKS (sorry, having flashbacks, excuse me), do announcements on the restroom, upcoming acts, and the like, and deal with the fact that the show probably started late and a third of the crowd is still waiting for their first drink.
Many clubs require emcees to be "clean" - to avoid profanity, sexual content, and often anything else that might be considered remotely offensive. (This is actually good practice for most emcees, as it pushes them toward writing cleaner material, which can be a help down the line.) Regardless of a specific club's policies, some headliners request that emcees stay clean, particularly if the headliner is a clean comic himself.
Emcees are usually local comedians - or regional, at most - few clubs have the budget to cover travel expenses and/or accommodations for the opening slot. (Those comedians who do travel as emcees often wind up sleeping on the couch in the club's two-bedroom apartment, rented for the other comics.) While some top clubs do bring in openers from out of town, most clubs have a roster of local emcees, who rotate on a weekly basis. The quality of an emcee's act can vary greatly - some emcees are young, up-and-coming comedians; some are local "celebrities" (such as radio DJ's); and others are people who enjoy standup simply as a hobby.
Emcee is the first paying gig for the overwhelming majority of comedians (though, in New York and Los Angeles, the emcee is usually the strongest of the 10-12 comics in their 'showcase' format). From the emcee level, a comedian can hope to impress the club enough to be booked again as a feature.
Phase 3: Feature
Stage Time: 25-40 minutes
Pay (per week): $300-700, plus accommodations
Experience: 3-15 years
Comedians generally first experience life on the road as a feature, or middle act. A feature follows the emcee and generally does a twenty-five to thirty-minute set. Features obtain work in one of two ways: direct booking through a stand-alone comedy club, or through "one-nighters" run by a number of bookers throughout the country. These bookers (among them Heffron Talent, owner of the well-known "Comedy Zone" franchise) will have "Comedy Nights" set up in bars, restaurants, and hotels in their region, and have a set roster of features which they rotate through their shows.
Generally speaking, features (and headliners) will have a "run", or a series of one-nighters that are relatively nearby. For example, this week I have four shows in four separate cities in Florida. Working features - that is, features who support themselves solely on comedy - often work 40 weeks a year or more on the road, living out of their car, and picking off the ugly women that the headliner deems beneath him. Pay ranges from $50 to $150 (most often in the $100-$125 range); one-nighters often are at the higher end of the scale, since travel expenses (and travel time) are higher. A four-night run at a single club might pay $300-$400 plus accommodations, while a four-night run of one-nighters might be closer to $500.
A comedian generally will spend a few years as a feature act before graduating to headliner; it takes time to develop a full hour act, in addition to developing the contacts and references required to become a headliner. Features must have a strong, funny, thirty-minute set and may have some small credits - bit parts in TV or radio shows or something similar.
Phase 4: Headliner
Stage Time: 45-60 minutes
Pay (per week): $1000 and up, plus accommodations
Experience: 10-30 years
The headliner is, simply put, the star of the show. He or she closes the show, generally providing between forty-five minutes and an hour's worth of material. (Although I once opened for a brilliant comedian named Bob Marley in his hometown of Portland, Maine. He did nearly two hours. "Thank God he's done," said one of the managers. "He did almost three last night.")
While the term "headliner" may conjure up thoughts of famous comics like Chris Rock, George Carlin, and Jerry Seinfeld, there are in fact a few thousand headliners who make six figures a year performing all across the U.S. and Canada. Much like features, many headliners spend a great deal of time on the road, performing at comedy clubs and one-nighters. Headliners, however, have the added revenue streams of corporate shows and cruise ships, both of which can be exceptionally lucrative. Corporate shows can pay anywhere from $1,000 to $5,000, including first-class hotel and often travel expenses as well. A week on a cruise ship can earn a headliner several thousand dollars, including full accommodations for him and whoever he's cheating on his wife with that week. Most headliners sell merchandise at shows, such as T-shirts and CD's, which then sit for months, untouched, on the backseat floors of cars all around the country.
In all seriousness, it's important to note that most headliners have a minimum of ten years' experience in comedy, and in 'A' rooms such as the Improvs and Funny Bones, that number is usually closer to twenty years or more. Not only do headliners have to be funny, but they need to have the experience to handle tough rooms, hecklers, talkers, waitresses handing out checks at the end of their set, and the myriad other distractions comedians can face. Headliners often have major TV credits, such as starring roles in unfunny television series, or appearances on similarly unfunny late-night talk shows such as Late Night with Conan O'Brien, The Tonight Show, or The Late Show with David Letterman.
New York and L.A.
New York City and Los Angeles have different tracks for comedians for a number of reasons. First of all, most clubs in those cities use the "showcase" format. Rather than have three comedians, those clubs will have a two-hour show featuring anywhere from six to twelve comedians, each doing roughly equal sets. It is rare for even "headliners" at most New York clubs to do a set longer than twenty minutes. Competition for work at clubs in those cities is ridiculously intense, and it will take comedians years to become an established club regular there.
Secondly, the number of off-stage opportunities in both those cities is significantly greater. Many comics work for years in New York, establish a presence in the clubs, and then get one big credit - a spot on Comedy Central, a TV commercial, a guest-starring spot on a network series - to springboard them directly to headlining road clubs. While the road is more of a "ladder", New York comics who hit it big tend to do so quickly - after years of struggling. The choice between New York and the road is one of personal preference, career goals, and one's personal situation. What's the right answer? Like so much in this business, it all depends.
This article was originally published on Suite101.com. Subsequent changes have been made.
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Post a CommentOk, fair enough, sounds like in the end hard work and persistance trumps everything. Thanks for replying man, will do if I have any queries. Good luck with everything.
It's just a different world in the middle spot -- the Internet has made it much easier to reach bookers, which has made it a) much more difficult for them to pick out the working comics from the amateurs and b) allowed them to lower wages/cut hotel because there's a comic out there who will do it. Plus the one-nighters are not nearly as prevalent as they used to be. It's still doable, but it's tougher than it was for me. It took me probably 2.5 years to be close to full-time and in year 4 I did 46 weeks. That was with 1 year in NYC, which was an early boost in terms of stage presence, material, etc. and to be honest a few lucky breaks I may not have completely deserved at the time. I don't think I could replicate that timeline these days. So I think really good progress is barely getting by from comedy @ 5 years, and actually banking some (limited) amount of cash at year 8-10. Feel free to hit me up through my site (oklahomacomic.com) if you've got any other questions.
That's a tough one to answer, and really depends on how you define "make" 30-40K. If you're talking about grossing that much, I think 5 years is a difficult, but achievable, goal. That's 50 weeks a year at $400 a week on average, with maybe $200 in merch profits if you've got a good shirt. But, again, that's just what you're paid -- it's not counting the higher expenses of gas, hotels for off nights, higher food costs, etc., that you are going to spend on the road. To "net" 30K, you've got to be headlining most of the stuff with some feature weeks at better-paying clubs scattered in there, and I think that's 7-10 years (about where I am, though I don't go out full-time like I used to).
That said, the feature world has changed dramatically since I was a full-time middle. There are a lot more regional guys, a lot more clubs with no hotels just using locals to save on the budget. And the pay hasn't moved at all, from what I can tell, in five years...(continued next comment)
Okay, fair enough.
Just a quick last question- when do you think is an average time for becoming a full time comic- ie not necessarily a headliner, but just a guy who can do this full time, and pay his bills. Ie can you be a support/feature act and make , say , 30-40 thousand a year? As a young 23 year old who has been in it 8 months (And doing well)- that was more my concern. I suppose that's why the 10-20 year thing startled me.
But how long would you say it takes on average to make 30-40 k?
Thanks for replying.
First off, the "headliners" in the article are road-type headliners -- I make it very clear in the article that NY and LA have different timelines, and cover those at the end. Secondly, the timeline is not "rigid" but an approximation, again as it says in the article.
In response to your list: Jeselnik has moved quickly, Cummings was an actress first, Jeffries and Carr I don't know histories on, Ansari started in the early 90s (he was on Premium Blend a while back) so he was past ten years. Glover and Kosta beat the 10-year list. So did Eddie Murphy and Eddie Griffin. Ryan Stout too -- I'm sure there are others. But that's a handful of comics out of the thousands who have tried it, and the thousands who have gotten paid at it. If a comic is a full-time road headliner at the 10-year mark, he is more successful than 99.9% of people who have ever tried comedy, and probably 99% of people who made it to the MC level. I think that proves my point, not yours.
I'm going to give you a few names, you tell me if you don't think they are "headliners":
-Anthony Jeselnik
-Whitney Cummings (not that I'm a fan of hers, but she started in 04)
-Jim Jeffries (was doing big shows in the US and UK by about 2006-7)
-Aziz Ansari (started in 04, was a big name by 08)
-Donald Glover
-Michael Kosta (been on Leno, comedy central etc, and from what I know, only started stand up in early-mid 2000s')
-Jimmy Carr (started stand up 2000, was a pretty big name in UK by 05, and did Leno by 06)
-Arj Barker (was a big name by 2000, a television regular, he would've only done it for approx 5 years bythen)
-the above are all 'headline acts' in my opinion, who got there in under 10 years. I like all your other articles, but
I think it's a bit rigid to look at the business in such a linear fashion. Surely TV appearances, radio etc, and originality can (& regularly do) put people above the bottomless pit of road comics, and gain them headliner status.
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That's not remotely true. Visit any standard comedy club and find out what percentage of their headliners have been doing it less than 10 years. The percentage is in the single digits. And moving to NY or LA -- where you can, as you say, "make it in way less than f--- 10-20 years"? Larry the Cable Guy was performing for 20 years. Ron White 25. Louis CK started in 1984. Jim Gaffigan about the same time.
And you say, " If someone is willing to work hard and get on stage every night they can, they can Be a headline act within a few years." That's just not true. Being a headliner and doing 45-60 minutes is not just tying together 6-7 7 or 8 minute sets worked out in open mikes in New York. There's a process to the act -- and just as importantly, the business moves slow. You can have a solid 45 at the 5-year mark. It will take you at least 2-3 years from there to be a working full-time headliner, simply because it takes that long to impress bookers, book the date, and build a book.
This is a terrible article
-10-20 years to become a headliner? what is wrong with you.
move to NY and LA, you can 'make it' in way less than fucken 10-20 years.
your 'time limits' are way off.
misleading as hell.
there are people who've become feature or support acts in 1-2 years, and heaps of comics who've headlined within 3-5 years. If someone has talent, and work hard, they can headline in about 5 years. Your 10-20 years thing is completely wrong.
You should wipe that whole thing, because in this business, there really is no time limit. If someone is willing to work hard and get on stage every night they can, they can Be a headline act within a few years.
Very misleading article for young comics.
The joke is not sexist. It is anti-ugly. If that offends you personally, I do apologize. Even in the bars of the 21st century, men AND women generally are not interested in meeting people to whom they are not sexually attracted. Perhaps some day, we will all fornicate at will, with no regard to physical attractiveness, but until that day comes I will continue to make jokes. (Of course, should that day arrive, I will quit the jokes, as I will be too busy fornicating.)
As for your exhortation to get a life, I would think that advice is better aimed at someone who spends her time reading articles about comedy yet clearly has no sense of humor herself.
Boy Vince - you can't do any better than inserting sexist lines that make fun of "ugly girls" who are "beneath" the headliner. Get a life. Better yet, get into the 21st century. That kind of talk was never pretty, and is now recognized as downright... ugly.