Denying Grandparents Access to the Children
Controversial Laws Pit Parental Rights Against Sympathetic Plight of Grandparents
All fifty states have statutes granting grandparents, and sometimes other third parties, the right to petition a court for visitation with children - even when the parents object. These statutes vary in scope and method. But they all contemplate that in some limited cases, a court may override a parent's decision about with whom their children may have relationships. The statutes are controversial, for they pit the fundamental right of parents to make decisions about their children's lives against the often sympathetic plight of grandparents denied access to their grandchildren.
There have been a number of Supreme Court cases and commentaries regarding the rights of grandparents to visit with and have a role in the upbringing and social development of a child. In a 2000 decision, Troxel v Granville, the Supreme Court disallowed a statute of the state of Washington which allowed any person the right to petition for visitation rights whenever a court felt such visitation was in the child's best interests. Note that any person, not just a relative, could make the request, regardless of the parents' wishes. The Court felt that law was overbroad; since then the courts and legislatures of the various states have been struggling to test their own statutes against the reasoning of Troxel to see whether they, like Washington's statute, must be struck down.
The place to start is a look at the American system of parental rights and the Constitutional protection that follows.
Ancient theories of parenting varied from the principles expounded in Plato's Republic. There children would be removed from their parents at birth, and the state would raise them. In contrast, some ancient cultures, like those of the Romans and Babylonians, followed a laissez-faire model of parenting, under which fathers, in varying degrees, had the legal authority to buy, sell, trade, and even kill their children, more or less at will.
American family law is premised on a compromise between these two extremes. There are three parties involved, the parents, the government and the child. They are not equally important.
Instead, parents are given vast deference to make decisions about all aspects of childrearing, including education, religion, health care, discipline, as well as mundane day-to-day activities. (Even children themselves almost never win when they challenge parental authority in court.)
The state, in contrast, plays a sharply limited role. It can only override parental decisions when they place a child's health or well-being in jeopardy. The child abuse and neglect system presents an extreme example. Through this system, the state has the authority to remove children from their parents' care entirely - but only if there is proper evidence that the children have been harmed or are in danger.
The primacy of parents' rights to make decisions about their children is protected by the Due Process Clause of the Constitution. Parents have a fundamental liberty interest, which gives them the right to establish a home, raise children, and control their education and upbringing. As long as parents are "fit," the state has no reason to interfere with the exercise of this interest.
While the hope is that parents will do their best to raise good and moral citizens, it is up to them to decide how the children shall be reared. This constitutional right has led courts to create a presumption that fit parents make decisions that are in the best interests of their children. As a result, parents have won battles with the state over home-schooling, religious isolation, and the withholding of medical care for a non-life threatening condition - all of which are permitted when parents choose them for their children.
Start with the general rule. The opinions of the married parents of a child as to whether visitation with and by grandparents will not be challenged by the courts without a clear and convincing determination that the child's interests will be greatly harmed in the absence of visitation. In other words, if both father and mother are united in wanting no contact with Grandma and Grandpa, the chances that the latter can seek relief from the courts are slim or none.
The laws of the different states provide circumstances in which a grandparent (or perhaps a former step-parent) may request the establishment and enforcement of visitation.
Florida's statute, § 752.01, Florida statutes, permits a petition by grandparents when the parents have been divorced, one parent has deserted the child or the child was born out of wedlock. The Court also considers the "best interests" of the child, but note that the wishes of an intact two-parent family are not to be challenged. In California, under § 3102 of the Family Code, one of the natural parents must be deceased before grandparent visitation will be ordered. Massachusetts has similar conditions, the parents must have divorced or separated, the child must have been born out of wedlock or one or both parents are deceased (Chap 119, § 39D, General Laws).
Other states have other restrictions but protracted legal proceedings are expensive, and do nothing to cement a relationship among family members and the children.
So what are practical ways to promote a healthy and nurturing relationship between grandparents and their grandchildren? First recognize the problem.
Find alternative ways to continue the relationship. Write letters. call--let the kids know you're part of their support network. And never, never make them feel they have an emotional conflict of interest. Even if you have to bite your tongue when you say something nice about the children's parent, do it because you're doing it for the good of the child.
Try and discuss the issues with the objecting parent. More often than not, visitation is not being denied because the parent thinks contact with the grandparents will be harmful for the children; instead, the parent fears that the grandparent will talk to the children about him or her in an adverse way. Establish, with the parent, some ground rules for visitation. Then, whatever rules are agreed upon, follow them.
If direct discussions are not possible or fruitful, consider formal mediation. Florida, for example, makes mediation a condition to the grandparents' petition. Mediation means that you hire a neutral third party to help all of you create a legally binding agreement that everyone can respect and live with.
As a father and grandfather, I am intimately aware of the importance of maintaining a presence in my grandchildren's' lives. I am also fully aware that my role is to give unconditional love, without offering advice that counters the wishes of the parents, my own children. It is sometimes a difficult chore to bite the tongue and just hug the child, but that's what is needed.
And hug them often!
Published by Jim Stillman
Retired from Florida Department of Revenue after 25 years.and retired New York attorney. I am a liberal with regard to social responsibility and, likely, a Libertarian otherwise. View profile
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24 Comments
Post a CommentIf we are not fit or good enough to see, call, write or send a card to our grandchildren then we are not good enough to see our kids.
Rules:
1. don't expect us, invite us or bother us with your problems and stay out of ours.
2. Only on the holidays like Christmas? birthday's? please, stay away and we will all save money, time and trouble.
3. they are your kids ultimatly and while we would love to see our grandchildren everyday but you say No, we are not fit to see them except on "holidays for gifts" then keep your kids at home.
4. this is not our choice it's a response to your choice and decision, you live with it we will move on, sayonara son/daughter have fun!
5. we love all of ya'll ya hear!
IT JUST SICKENS ME THAT OUR CHILDREN&THERE OTHER HALF CAN USE THE CHILDREN FOR LEVREDGE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT IM GOING THREW THAT TO I HAVE 5 GRANDBABYS IM GOING THREW THAT WITH 3 OF MINE WITCH ONE GRANDBABY WAS JUST BORN 3WEEKS AGO I WILL TAKE THEM TO COURT FAMILY OR NOT IF THEY DONT CARE WHAT THEY DO TO US AND THE CHILDREN BY NOT LETTING US GRANDPARENTS HAVE A PART IN THEWRE LIFE WELLLLLLLLL THEY DEERVE TO BE TAKEN TO COURT SO WISH ME LUCK IM GOIN FOR IT GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL DONT LET THEM HURT YOU AND YOUR GRANDBABYS THIS WAY ITS JUST NOT FAIR
I love my daughter-in-law very very much and would do anything in the world for both her and my son. She does not believe this. When she gets angry with me she decides to restrict me from seeing my grandson. He is four now and I love him to death. I also have a brand new baby girl and she is two months old. All was going really great until my daughter-in-law got angry over me giving my grandson some soda. Now I have been told that I am no longer allowed in their lives ever. My son goes along to keep the peace. I do not want him put in the middle or the babies. She uses the kids against me just to be hurtful. What can I do?
I am a mother and grandmother, and until you are a grandmother yourself, you do not know what you will do. We love our children, but a grandchild is even more special. One day you will know this. Unless your mother is a drug user, or unfit shame on you for dening her rights to her grandchilding. Every child needs their grandparents. It healthy and depleteing in todays society. I have 8 grandchildren from 3 children and we have had a very close bond with them all. We see them and they see eachother as cousins almost daily. The 2 oldest ones were abused by their own father, whom our daughter has just recently remarried and now they are being torn out of all our lives. That is wrong, and you are a selfish mother not to consider your own childs feelings as my daughter is doing now. This causes emotional harm to the children that stay with them for the rest of their lives. Look it up! Post Traumatic Stress syndrome and Seperation Anxieties!!! I will always love my daughter, but
Family doesn't take family to court. There are many other ways to treat family then just take them to court. If you really love your children and grandchildren then sometimes you need to take the high road and swallow the pride and work things out even when you don't agree with all the decisions that are made by your children. I have been to court by my own mother and it destroyed the whole family on her side. I will never get over the hurt and pain she put this family through. It was a sad situation and we are more then fit parents and the judge even told her so. It really comes down to control. These are the parents, case closed. It would be hurtful to me if my kids took my grandchildren away from me but I would never take them to court, their my kids. I would just be heartbroken. I think the babyboomers have hardened hearts and are not thinking of anybody else but themselves. Let the families stay intact if they are fit and the children are taken care of. Just pray when
Our grandchildren have been totally estranged from their entire family since early 2004. Parents have history of drug abuse, domestic violence restraining orders, violent felony convictions including years served in state prisons, mental illness requiring hospital stays. Despite all this, despite the fact that we can easily pass any background check, the court denied our request for visitation simply because both parents object. We are attempting to change the law to give grandparents rights in extreme circumstances such as ours. Please sign our petition at:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/reunite-grandchildren-and-grandparents-in-california
Hi cant we all just try to get along with one another. Why doe's it have to be so complicated? After all dont we all have the same thing in mind. The love of a child. This has been a very rough year for me- grandkids, there mommy, and my son. Who has since been incarcerated since may. He misse's his boys more than a person could even begin to imagine. He has always been a very good father- along with their mommy. One day my husband told me we would not be allowed to see our grandsons again- because the mom felt as though we were blaming her for the things that went wrong in her and my sons relationship. This is not so I never blamed her soely. For as long as I have been married I do no that it takes two. I do not blame anybody here. What do I do? help. GOD BLESS
Thankyou Cathie for your support. god bless.
thank you sofie. We need more understanding people like you. GOD BLESS YOU.
This has happened to me. My son will not allow me to visit my grandchildren because he is mad at me. He is on his third marriage to a former stripper who is very narcisstic , uses foul language in front of the children. I made a comment to him about this and he quit speaking to me. He is verbally abusive to his ex-wife, the mother of his children, but she is a wonderful mother and person. The children are suffering because of this and they are turning against their father. He will lose them if matters do not change. I love my grandchildren so much and have spent a lot of time with them over the years, but not am not allowed to see them. Their mother now allows me to visit with them and allows them to come to my house for overnights with their cousins. I have heard my granddaughter say she hates her father because of all of this.