Ebay Profile: Time to Move Away from Ebay

Interview with a Seller that Has Called it a Day with EBay

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This is the story of a man who had traded stamps, first day covers and postcards on eBay since October 2000. He asked me not name him other than by his nick name, GeeBee, due to recent email abuse he's received which will be explained later.

GeeBee is in his forties, works from home, and I started off by asking him what volume of sales he had done in his time on eBay; "I'm only a hobby trader I guess. Since late 2000 I've done about 3,000 sales and my feedback record on the site is 99.9%".

What did GeeBee mean by hobby trader? "I probably spent as much as I earned on eBay as I also collect the subjects I traded in. Over the years, under various eBay IDs, I must have been a buyer of as many items as I've sold. When I say hobby trader, I guess I mean I used the site to fund my hobby more than anything else."

So why are you calling it a day now? "About nine months ago, like many others, I realised the auction format was no longer working. Too many items were selling to opening bidders. Often I was losing money. The buyers had learned not to get in to bidding wars and sniping in the last few seconds was becoming the norm. You can't trade properly for long in those conditions."

We talked about the trends he has seen in recent years and he continued; "About a year ago I decided to use an eBay Store. The monthly subscription was affordable and I could list my items at realistic prices. I'd wait, sometimes for a few weeks, until the right buyer came along. It worked. But, although the recent fee increases may not seem much, it does mean some of the lower value items are priced off eBay now as you can't load handling fees to the extent you must to make anything." What did that mean? "That meant listing fewer items, getting less value from the monthly subscription and, in the end I realised my shop listings were being excluded from almost every search. Where I may have sold items within days or weeks, it was looking as if it was going to be months and years from now on. The relisting fee every 30 days was making the whole thing unworkable."

He gave me a few examples and explained the math. He was right in my opinion. While I could see how he had worked previously, it was uneconomic to sell items for a couple of bucks to fellow collectors now and, indeed, there is no future for him on eBay it seems.

I asked how he would pursue his hobby now; "It's no real problem. Yes I've enjoyed eBay but there are still plenty of collector's fairs and markets I can go to. I've also moved on to eBid where I've taken lifelong membership entitling me to list for free. It's good, the internet shop stuff is all done for me and all I have to do is list my items just like I did on eBay. When I go to fairs I publicise the eBid site, build my email lists and eBid serves as my online shop again, just as eBay did."

But eBay is where the buyers are isn't it? "Not as much as you might think. Yes, a year or two back it was the only place to be, but not any more. There are good specialist philatelic sites I can use for auctioning better items and I have built a huge customer mailing list I can email my eBid listings to. If a collector knows something he wants is available at the right price he will go to any trustworthy site. It's not a problem."

So did you protest about eBays 'hike and hide' moves recently? "Not really. I did put a comment in an eBay petition forum when I closed my eBay shop and all I got was attacked by amazingly childish people who maliciously reported my last remaining items on the site. I was annoyed at the time because eBay cancelled most of the listings for no real reason other than these silly vandals but, as they refunded my fees, it was easily forgotten."

Do you still buy on eBay? "Yes, very occasionally, I buy cartridges for my printer. Guess what? I snipe the auctions and wait until I get one really cheap!" GeeBee laughed at the irony of doing the very thing that had stopped him listing on auction format. He continued; "I don't buy for my hobby now. While I'm sure I could probably pick up a few things cheap I don't have the time you need to find possible bargains, wait a few days and hope a snipe works. I tend to use local real life auctions, trade at fairs, that sort of thing. I still do OK"

Did GeeBee think eBay had done things wrong? "No, not really. I was annoyed at having to move but I just accepted it in the end. They have their business to run and I'm not the kind of seller they want any more. They've grown so big now, they're more about cars I think. Expensive items where they can earn much more from a sale. They don't want the little guys which, sad as it is, I suppose I can understand."

We finished the interview and I was left confused. Why wasn't GeeBee upset? He should be angry. But I realised he had simply got on with his life.

Do I think eBay should be losing this type of seller and buyer? I must admit I don't know. There is a gut instinct telling me eBay is wrong to let the type of trader go. These are the very people that built eBay in to the goliath it now is. Will they now help a new eBay competitor emerge?

But, on the other hand, I can understand eBay saying they want to raise their average sale price, it makes business sense on paper. But then I see penny eBooks selling by the thousand on the site? It just doesn't make sense.

While I can respect the analytical view, in fact I know it is usually right. I just feel eBay is not the typical animal to apply an economics text book to. It was one of the businesses that broke the rules when the internet opened up. Like many other internet giants now, a few bytes of information can be processed automatically at the click of a mouse to make a penny. By clicking millions of pennies there is good money being made. I sense, down the line, eBay will regret losing the GeeBee kind of user more than GeeBee will regret losing eBay.

It is as if eBay are giving away their very foundation blocks to allow other kids a chance to grow up and challenge their dominance.

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  • I probably spent as much as I earned on eBay
  • The relisting fee every 30 days was making the whole thing unworkable
  • There is a gut instinct telling me eBay is wrong to let the type of trader go
The first item ever sold on what is now eBay was a Pez dispenser.

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  • AOkay126/13/2010

    Ebay is more profitable to people who have really unique products. There is too much competition for sellers of common products.

  • Daikon9/22/2006

    I've already cancelled around 500 eBay store listings this week and relisted them in my own new webshop.
    If my items are invisible in eBay's search there is no way I'm going to pay up to 11 cents en up to 10% closing fee for any items which do sell.

  • Joyce9/20/2006

    I believe that ebay doesn't want the little guys anymore. They are making it increasingly more difficult and more expensive for the little guys. But sellers like GeeBee are the ONLY reason I became a member of ebay.. and I have bought a large number of first day covers and postcards and other collectibles. I spent a lot of money with sellers at ebay. I never considered myself as doing business with ebay. Where the sellers go.. I go.

  • ps9/20/2006

    .. with all of ebay's billions in profit they never even gave ebay sellers the option to Auto-Extend their auction times if bids were coming in the final minutes .. thus snipers were encouraged to bid in the last seconds of auction .. I know of no other auction that stops at a set time .. every other auction I have ever witnessed in the real world continues until the bids stop coming in .. in my opinion ebay is not a real auction site at all .. there are even sniper bidding tools to bid up in increments in the final seconds of auction at ebay .. IMHO ebay has become a very sloppy operation geared against sellers who put their trust in the ebay auction format ..

  • Brian9/20/2006

    Interesting, how someonewho is probably a fair representative of the sort of seller that built eBay into the giant that it is, no longer fees welcome or valued as a customer. A lot of sellers feel the same, that Greedbay, as it has now become known is not interested in them, which will ultimatly be Ebays loss and Ebid's, and others gain. It is not just this sellers listing fees, but the buyers fees that his business generated for other sellers on the site who will now be on other sites, looking at what is on offer there.

    Ebay may be able to manipulate the listing figures with a few cheap day offers, which for sellers work on the law of diminishing returns, as all it does is swamp the listings for a few days with a lower sell through rate for those foolish enough to participate. Shareholders are starting to wake up to the problems that the auction monolith has, and it is reflected in the share price which lost 7% in two days recently. Not good news for investors. I fear that eBay h

  • Buzybee9/20/2006

    What a shame. eBay was the greatest site for the hobbyist and collector. Yes, given enough time you could find anything you wanted and sell your excess to fund the hobby. I have a nice collection of vintage sewing machines I got that way. I even had a store, but had to close. Now there's dishonest sellers hawking vintage all-metal machines as 'industrials' for big bucks while the honest sellers are just fading away.

  • Michael9/20/2006

    Regrets, i've had a few... but then again, too few to mention...

    That's My Way. I think Ebay's Way will produce many more



  • simply9/20/2006

    Same here, plus ebay is e-mailing previoes Australian sellers trying to get them to re-open stores! They also continue to try and silence criticism of the current regime. Tonight, ebay conducted a workshop on how to optimise stores and work with the 'new' system - sorry - same old useless drivel! I'll stick with free listing oztion & ebid, thanks!

  • Alex9/20/2006

    Many sellers are doing the same. Which is precisely why Ebay are doing their best to deceive their more naive shareholders about their number of auction listing totals (via cheap listing days). I think its also a moral issues as well as an economic one. It is disgusting that Ebay can allow their customers to be intimidated and persecuted. Why have the law not got involved?

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