This hydrogen and oxygen is then supplied to your car's air intake, mixed with the traditional air/fuel mixture and burned in the engine. The Hydro 4000 claims that by using water for gas you can increase your vehicle's gas mileage by 20%-60%.
The Hydro 4000 costs $1200 and includes detailed installation instructions. However, since the unit does require connections to your vehicle's electrical system, it's best installed by an experienced mechanic. Most proponents of water for gas systems claim that with the high price of gasoline you'll recoup your investment in a year.
Unfortunately, many people suspend disbelief in the face of rising gasoline prices. The ability to use water for gas is an attractive promise. However, before you invest in the Hydro 4000, you might want to do some more research.
Systems, like the Hydro 4000, that promise to improve gas mileage using water aren't new. In fact, some of the first systems appeared in the 1970s during the oil embargo.
One device was called a water fuel cell by inventor Stanley Meyer. He claimed that he could run a Volkswagen dune buggy using only water for gas. In 1996, Meyer's device was found to be a fraud by an Ohio court. A quick search of the US Patent and Trademark Office database will turn up several patents for systems that claim to use water for gas.
A quick Google search will turn up a variety of systems claiming to use water for gas. You can buy complete, ready-to-install systems like the Hydro 4000 or if you're mechanically inclined for as little as $100 you can get an e-book telling you how to make your own system. These systems have very convincing names like hydrogen assist technology or hydrogen fuel injection.
The claims made by these systems do not hold up to basic science. Splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen takes a great deal of energy. In fact, it takes more energy to split water than can be generated by burning the resulting hydrogen and oxygen. This is one of the reasons that fuel cell technology is being investigated. Fuel cells use a catalyst which reacts with the hydrogen to create electricity, a process that is many times more efficient than using water for gas.
Performing electrolysis under the hood of your car would be highly inefficient. Your alternator would need to work more to produce the electricity needed which would increase the load on your engine. Electrolysis requires more energy than the combustion of hydrogen produces so technically, you'd see a decrease in gas mileage as your car worked to make up that deficit in energy.
Many testimonials exist, however, that show increased gas mileage while using devices like the Hydro 4000. The proponents of these systems often point to these testimonials and claim that the debunking of these devices is a conspiracy by big oil to protect their profits. Actually, the increase in gas mileage in many of these testimonials can be explained.
Testing and benchmarking any device is tricky. Often tests and the resultant data can be manipulated to support any desired outcome. The tests that show increased gas mileage from these systems are often faulty in the beginning. For example, NBC affiliate WPTV tested the Hydro 4000 and found it increased the gas mileage of a truck from 9.4 miles a gallon to 23.2 miles per gallon. This test raises some interesting concerns however. The vehicle used was a Dodge Durango. According to Dodge, a Durango should get 14 miles per gallon in the city and 19 on the highway. We all know vehicles don't perform exactly to the manufacturer's specifications but this vehicle was getting significantly lower gas mileage in the test prior to adding the Hydro 4000. It suggests that there may have been some faults with the test itself.
Another factor that figures into the apparent effectiveness of these devices is something called the placebo effect. The placebo effect is a term usually used in medicine. It describes a scenario where a patient's condition improves because they think they've been given something that will improve it. Drivers using a system like the Hydro 4000 for the first time are expecting and watching for improved gas mileage and performance. As a result, they may change their driving habits during the first months of using the device. Changes in driving habits can improve gas mileage. These users see an improvement at first when they're eagerly looking for them but once their attention wanes, they revert to old driving patterns. The improvement in gas mileage evaporates.
It's also possible that these devices really are improving gas mileage but not for the reasons they claim. Hydrogen isn't making the engine burn cleaner or giving more energy than splitting the water is using. There are a couple of reasons that users may actually use less gas.
The small volume of hydrogen and oxygen being drawn into the combustion chamber may displace gasoline. An internal combustion engine only has so much volume. If some of that volume is taken by the hydrogen, less gas will be used. In effect, you're reducing the volume of your engine. A smaller volume engine uses less gas. It also has less power.
Some of these systems include a modification to the oxygen sensor in your car. They claim that this is necessary to efficiently burn the hydrogen. (The Hydro 4000 does not include or require this modification.) This modification is simply a system to trick your car's oxygen sensor into thinking that the air/gas mixture contains too much fuel. As a result, your vehicle will use less gas. The oxygen sensor of your car can be tuned to use less fuel without expensive gimmicks. However, the oxygen sensors in today's cars are carefully programmed by the manufacturer to optimize a variety of variables including emissions, fuel economy and performance.
The promise of using water for gas sounds too good to be true. If you look at the hard science behind systems like the Hydro 4000, you'll find that it is. Hydrogen may one day play a part in our country's energy production but probably not in the way promised by the Hydro 4000.
Sources
Hydro 4000, Green Machine Solutions, Inc, http://www.hydro4000.com
Stanley Meyer's Water Fuel Cell, Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
Device promises to save 60% at the pump, Jamie Holmes, WPTV Newchannel 5, http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28
Published by J Julian Hill
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20 Comments
Post a CommentThe problem has been poor explanations of how the system works. The Hydrogen is not acting as a fuel; it is acting as an accelerant. This is a fire-science term. It is changing the rate of burning of the gasoline, increasing the completeness of burning and raising the maximum pressure within the cylinder. This changes the thermodynamics of the burn resulting in greater work output.
To answer the question on whether or not this works, the answer is yes. Sorry Jullian, but rebutting a dino test with opinions is not exactly convincing. The same channel has done a retest with a proffesor involved, and once again showed a positive result--not as drastic but successful. I saw it last night on the News. I'd love to hear Juliann's explanation for this one.
My guess, the original author "Mr. Hill" is in the crowd that just doesn't want this or any technology to work, which makes no sense. But what's sad is that he'll probably convince plenty of others to stick their heads in the sand as well.
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i wonder that if truckers use these things which cost up to 15,000.00 and even that hydrogen thing only helps by 4%, what makes anyone b-believe that some cheap thing will double gas mileage??
'Run Your Car On Water' Scheme Could Leave Consumers All Wet
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does it work or not very confused
Responding to Erik J...the alternator output is varied by demand. The voltage regulator (or PCM) varies the amount of current through the field windings. The AC voltage is induced in the Stator windings (then converted to DC by the rectifier). More field current equals more resistance to movement (higher magnetic field). Using a ND 135A alternator as an example, no load takes less than 1ft/lbs torque to turn. At max output, it will use 18ft/lbs. This is a power loss that the engine must overcome. If you were thinking of a Permanent Magnet generator, you would be correct in your statements.
I would have to agree with most statements made by the author. I am an Automotive instructor and former GM engineer. Most (if not all) of these H2O systems manipulate either the O2 sensor signal or the MAP sensor. This effectively reduces the amount of fuel the PCM injects into the engine. Most modern cars can burn these lean mixtures (to a point) and will provide better MPG. The downside of leaning out the mixture is two-fold. If you lean the mix too much, it will not burn in the cylinders causing low power and high Hydrocarbon emissions. Even if the mix is rich enough to burn, the combustion temps will greatly exceed 2500F causing high NOx emissions. Also, the amount of HHO produced by these devices is so miniscule, the parasitic losses from the charging system outweigh any potential benefits.
I do agree that some MPG benefits can be made by altering PCM input signals, but I would love to see one pass an IM240 emissions test. Won't happen...
I am an ASE master tech that has been in the business over 30 years and I have to laugh at some of the comments here. If you don't think that adding an electrical load to your car's alternator will add a mechanical load to your engine, try taking the cover off of a LifeCycle exercise bike. Inside you will find an automotive alternator with a series of resistors. As the control panel engages each resister it adds an electrical load to the alternator with in turn makes the LifeCycle harder to pedal. I agree with the placebo effect but then again you're still saving gas, so go for it.
I'd hate to revert raw insults, but are you f*#king serious!? Is there a way to vote to have this crap deleted? Almost everything this guy just said was straight out of his a$$... Whats this hes saying about drawing more current from the alternator makes the engine work harder? That alternator is going to spin no matter what. plugging your cell phone in to the cig lighter doesn't decrease you gas mileage... Its potentiating already made energy aswell as making gas burn more effeiciently. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering, and I can tell you that alternators (for the most part) will have a max power output depending on armature speed and the windings around it. When the pully spins, electromagnetic induction causes eletrons to move through the wires to the ignition coil, battery, headlights, etc; but more energy is produed than used. One thing everyone in the US seems to forget is the laws of conservation of mass/energy (
Alaska airlines is starting to cycle their vehicles into the shop to have these installed here in AK, as well as the municipal government vehicles. Several construction companies have them in the works as well. For those that have had the system put in already, they have been reporting between 20%-50% better mileage. I am going to give it a shot on my 2004 Yukon, I'll know for myself soon enough. I would hate to throw this out the window because it "sounds too good to be true." I don't question the validity of the companies that have already installed it, but I do want to try it firsthand before I say one way or the other.