No offense to Derek Jeter, he's obviously a great player and is one of the most clutch players in the league and might even be the MVP in the American League this year. But, Jose Reyes could probably just as easily be a MVP candidate if a bunch of players had been injured this season and the Mets still kept winning. Derek Jeter is a great hitter, but Jose Reyes brings so much more to the table. Jose Reyes can hit, he's a terror on the base paths, he hits in big situations, he's a future Gold Glove and he's even a surprisingly good power hitter. Let's say the New York Yankees and New York Mets are both completely healthy until Jose Reyes and Derek Jeter go down with injuries. Who does it hurt more? It hurts the New York Mets more hands down. You can plug Cano in at Jeter's spot and Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, and Hideki Matsui and all the rest will knock in Robinson Cano all day long. But if Jose Reyes is gone, the Mets suddenly lose the one factor that makes them better than every other team in the National League. Nobody has a Jose Reyes; nobody is as electrifying at the bat, on the bases and in the field like Jose Reyes.
Whenever I mention that Jose Reyes is better than Derek Jeter someone always points out "yeah, but Jeter has the better OBP". OBP of course stands for on base percentage and is one of the new hip ways of judging if a player is any good. It no longer matters how many times you score, or how many times you knock in a run, all that matters now is how often you get on base even if you get stranded there. I guess they're also going to start scoring games by hits instead of runs. Really it's a totally overrated stat. While talking about this very same topic ESPN.com writer David Schoenfield argues
"There's a little something called on-base percentage where Reyes still has a lot of growing up to do - Jeter owns a 60-point advantage there. That's not a minor thing; it's what makes Jeter an MVP candidate and Reyes merely a very good player at this point. (And, no, Reyes' unique "first player to have this many runs, hits, homers and steals" does not make him a superstar, either. It merely makes him unique.) He's not yet in the class of Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines or Craig Biggio as a leadoff hitter. If he was, he would have scored 150 runs in that Mets lineup instead of the 122 he has scored."
That's it. Schoenfield, like many people, are basing the whole "Jeter is better than Reyes" argument on OBP. Weak! Let me ask you something, before the Yankees signed Johnny Damon who was their leadoff hitter? Derek Jeter. So last year Derek Jeter was the Yankees leadoff hitter. The New York Yankees have an even better offense than the New York Mets and Derek Jeter has an AMAZING OBP. How many runs did Derek Jeter score last year? 122. The same amount that Jose Reyes has this year. So if Reyes is expected to score 150 runs in the New York Mets lineup then shouldn't Derek Jeter who plays in a better lineup and has such a wonderful OBP score like 170 runs? And yet Jose Reyes is going to end up with the same amount of runs, possibly more. In fact, why don't we take a look at Derek Jeter's year in the leadoff spot for the New York Yankees last year compared to Jose Reyes this year. But before I give you the numbers, why don't you think in your head which stats you think Jose Reyes is better in and what stats you think Derek Jeter will have better numbers.
Jeter
122 runs 202 hits 25 doubles 5 triples 19 homeruns 70 RBI 77 walks 117 strikeouts 32 stolen bases .309 average .389 OBP .450 SLG .839 OPS
Reyes
122 runs 194 hits 30 doubles 17 triples 19 homeruns 81 RBI 52 walks 80 strikeouts 64 stolen bases .301 average .354 OB .489 SLG .843 OPS
I'm sure it's no surprise that Jose Reyes is the faster player, doubles, triples, and stolen bases are a given and we already mentioned the even runs. But did you realize Jose Reyes is actually a better power hitter than Derek Jeter? Jose Reyes has the same amount of homeruns as Derek Jeter and 11 more RBI despite having a pitcher bat in front of him instead of having a DH in his lineup. Slugging Percentage is also in favor of Jose Reyes by 39 points and Jose Reyes has the higher OPS so his lead in slugging makes up for the lead that Derek Jeter has in on base percentage. A lot of people would also be quick to point out how much Jose Reyes swings at everything but the truth is he struck out 37 less times. So basically Derek Jeter has an edge in walks, OBP and a slight advantage in hits and average. But Jose Reyes Is better in doubles, triples, RBI, strikeouts, stolen bases, slugging and OPS. Like I said earlier OBP is a trendy stat that everyone looks at, but it's only one half of the more popular OPS. Most people these days will tell you that OPS is THE stat, if you have the highest OPS, you're the best player. Well Jose Reyes had better OPS than Derek Jeter, doesn't that make him better?
If you want to argue that Derek Jeter is better than Jose Reyes, I'm not going to look at you like you're a moron. It certainly is a close enough argument that neither person is necessarily wrong, but if your argument is based on Derek Jeter having a higher OBP, you're going to have to come up with more than that and so far I haven't heard it. I think at this point Jose Reyes is already better than Derek Jeter but one thing is for sure. If an argument between in his prime Derek Jeter and 23 year old Jose Reyes is this close, then Jose Reyes in his prime is going to be a much better player than Derek Jeter.
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10 Comments
Post a Commentsut up u fagets jose and david are a combined 47 years old derek and arod are 65 years old combined . right know the yanks got the upper hand but in the next 5 years the mets young players are going to do better than arod and derek did there first 8 years
Jose reyes all the way. when his team needs him he is always clutc. I watched alot of games were jeter chocked
HELL NO, JOSE REYES SUCKS HE AVERAGES 285 AND JETER IS ALWAYS IN HIS 320'S AND 330'S, Averages no chance, clutch no chance, team player both are good, but the comparisons between these two is an insult to Derek Jeter, NEVER EVEN THINK OF SUCH COMPARISONS ESPECIALLY WITH DEREK JETER, EVER since his presense his team has always made it to the playoffs, Great temperament, Attitude, and concerning for his players. I am a Yankee fan but my favourite is Matsuieven he stands no chance against the likes of Derek Jeter, hes simply the Best. HATS OFF SKIPPER.
even though derek jeter has been around longer and his a great player dont gaet me wrong,but i think that jose has got a better future in the mlb.
im a huge yankee fan but the mets are my second favorite team and i think jose reyes is a future hall of of famer as well is jeter but jose has it all all jeter has is on himis on base percentage and reyes has everything else
by the way. BILL WEISS is an airhead. He has NO IDEA what hes talking about.
this sucks. Derek Jeter is the best EVER. ALWAYS has been,ALWAYS will be. Jose Reyes is an incompetent, arrogant JERK. Your article is very biased. Who was on the losing streak? THE METS, SMART ONE. And, who won yesterday 11-8? The Yankees. Lee Henderson, This article isn't even well written, in term of mechanics or topic. I suggest you put some research into it before anything. This is awful.
JETER WAS THE BEST SHORTSTOP. REYES IS THE BEST. MORE RBI'S BATTING LEADOFF,MORE STOLEN BASES, BETTER GLOVE, AND MORE POWER.IT'S TIME FOR THE YOUNG GUY TO TAKE OVER. SEE YOU YANKEE FANS THIS WEEKEND WHEN WE SWEEP YOU. IT'S OVER WITH THAT WEAK PITCHING STAFF.
i disagree with you, derek jeter is the all time greatest shortstop in baseball history. jose reyes might be fast but he doesnt have the shortstop skills like jeter!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really agree with you on this one. Im a Mets fan so basically its why. If you think about it, we're already arguing about whos better. Reyes is young and Jeter is older. Which gives Reyes more time to become better. Sooner or later Reyes will be beter. Without an argument.