It seems that Ptolemy's general purpose is to find a regular pattern in the motions of these bodies, and in doing so adheres very strongly to the idea of regular circles and constant- both continuous and regular- motion about these circles. To the reader such as myself, this limit he imposes on his theories seems to be fairly narrow and idealistic. However, taking into account both the views of astronomy in his time and the work of his predecessors that he uses to build upon (Euclid, Plato, Apollonius, Hipparchus, and others) this seemingly idealistic approach actually seems the most logical for Ptolemy to take. The problems that this causes him seem like red flags, but he does not seem bothered by these in the least and is constantly finding ways to account for them. Actually he seems to be quite the optimist. While this gives the impression, at least to me, that his proofs are very contrived, it is at the same time very admirable to see someone have such faith in an idea and take such pains to prove it.
Ptolemy's treatment of his original hypothesis says a great deal in turn about himself as a scientist, mathematician, and even philosopher. By this I mean that characteristics of each of these seem to be shown by his choice of theory, his exploration of it, and the way in which he deals with the problems that arise. The idea of constant and regular motion seems very philosophical in regard to the logic and awe with which he explores this 'phenomena'. It does remind me in many ways of the Timaeus, but is also philosophical in they way that I found Euclid to be, mainly in trying to explain the world we know and see in terms of an ideal situation. The difference I believe is that Euclid realized that the things he dealt with were in a sense forms, that they did not physically exist in our world. Ptolemy, on the other hand, is thoroughly convinced that his method explains the actual motions of the universe. Perhaps also the fact that anything separate from the earth must have seemed and still does seem very awesome and intriguing gave him a little more liberty in explaining these bodies. His work as a mathematician is evident, and my view of him as a scientist arises from the fact that he tries to explain natural phenomena that he sees not simply through speech or logic, as a philosopher would, but also through mathematics. He needs all of these abilities to work through problems of the complexity and magnitude that he does.
In these problems, I believe the greatest is the aforementioned anomaly of the sun. He first proves that the sun revolves about the earth in a perfect circle, but it is its apparent irregularity in motion that forces him to create the idea of the eccentric. He realizes that the sun moves at different rates throughout one revolution about the earth, in such a way that the length of days changes throughout the year, and most importantly that the sun actually appears to be moving backwards along the concentric circle. He shows that the sun moves in a regular circular motion about a fixed point that is not the earth, the eccentric hypothesis, which he uses to explain the different speeds of the sun's revolutions. Included in this are the concepts of apogee and perigee, the explanations of the solstices.
To account for all of this another way, he introduces the second idea of epicycles. In this he reasons that the sun moves in a circular motion, the diameter of this epicycle being equal to distance by which they apogee and perigee vary from the ecliptic, explaining its apparent 'backwards' motion.
I have a problem distinguishing the two theories, for it seems necessary that they coexist in order for his system to function in accordance with both his previous ideas and his actual observations. For, to hold with his theory on regular movement, the sun must move about the earth in a regular, predictable way. The sun must move about the earth regularly while its distance from the earth changes. I am not sure, however, if it is so easy to combine the two theories because while they seem to explain the same thing, neither more stable an argument than the other. Ptolemy even admits that, as long as the ratio of the distance between the center of vision and center of eccentric to the radius of the eccentric in the eccentric hypothesis stays in proper ratio with that of the radius of the epicycle and the radius in the deferent in the epicycle hypothesis, the results of both hypotheses will be the same. He goes on, however, to prove these same results in several situations. Gradually he moves away from the epicycle theory and progresses with the eccentric, as it seems simpler and in turn, more in accordance with his initial ideas of natural simplicity and order.
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u know i agree one hundred percent with this actually im not scientific at all so i dont know anything bout this but hey now i do
Tamara, I had Mr. Goldberg. It was a pretty awesome class. I had Kress freshman year and that was a trip. Mr. Goldberg actually let us build little models of the solar system as we were reading Ptolemy. It was a lot of fun. Sorry to use your page as a chat room, Ash. =)
Very nicely said, Bobby. I've never heard it expressed quite that way before. I guess Joe Hyde once expressed a similar idea in our lab class, but he didn't phrase it quite that well. Who was your sophomomre math tutor, anyway? I had Mr. Davis. Isn't this fun, Ash? You should get more Johnnies on here.
Sorry, my comment was too long and got cut off. I was going to say also, what does it mean to have two equally possible, yet different, hypotheses? Which one is actually right? What does it mean that both explain phenomena correctly?
Is our solar system geocentric? heliocentric? both? neither?
Anyways, good job. Is this a math tutorial essay? Man, great memories there! Welcome to AC =).
The eccentric is "simpler" in involving only one circle, but disturbing insofar as the circle is "off-center."
I am interested in your statement on page 1 that Ptolemy seems "narrow and idealistic" because he forced circles onto the universe. This was the geometry -- the scientific apparatus -- of his time.
What we have now is perhaps a more developed, complex scientific apparatus, but still that, something that we, in a sense, force upon the universe. Even experiments are a human contrivance, as are all observations (using human senses) and measurements (using human notions of unit).
In this sense, Ptolemy was no more "narrow or idealistic" than today's astrophysicist, who uses the so-called "laws" of physics and mathematics in an attempt to make nature conform to things that are basically human in origin.
What is an "astronomical unit"? A "black hole"? A "big bang"? Are these things "real," or have they, also, like Ptolemy's orbits, undergone a process of interpr