Paysite Debates: Why the Sims Resource Banned Modthesims2
The Biggest Illegal Sims 2 Paysite Online, the Sims Resource, Bans a Popular Free Site: Why?
2004: The Official Statement
On November 3, 2004, ModtheSims2 announced that TSR, otherwise known as The Sims Resource, was banning ModtheSims2 from their site. TSR went so far as to ban any mention of ModtheSims2 on their site, including forum threads directed towards ModtheSims2, links to ModtheSims2, and even the mention of ModtheSims2 on the forums. The reason? TSR's official policy is that adult content is not allowed on their site -- ModtheSims2 freely hosts some adult content, and TSR commented it was a violation of policy. They say that's why ModtheSims2 -- even the mention of it -- is banned from TSR's forums and site. MTS2's policy comments that nudity isn't banned since it is a natural thing; adult content isn't banned because it's part of human life.
According to The Sims Resource, they wanted to promote a kid-friendly environment, in accordance to EA's policy. The Sims 2 is marketed to ages as low as 13. Although The Sims Resource claims no direct relation to EA, EA does promote TSR on their official site. EA has even interviewed the creator of TSR, Steve Bonham, and invited them to some EA events. This angered many Sims 2 players and thinks EA approves of Sims 2 paysites, which EA stated is illegal.
To add another twist, Sims 2 players are questioning the legitimacy of TSR's statement against MTS2. Why? Because TSR itself hosts adult content on their own site. So what's really going on?
Speculations: Jealousy, Competition, and Dirty Tactics
So we know that TSR hosts adult content, yet states that ModtheSims2 was banned from the site because of their own adult content. So what's the real issue? Many Sims 2 players speculate this:
- Competition. ModtheSims2 is very popular Sims 2 custom content site; some would consider it a 'rival' against TSR. The main difference between MTS2 and TSR? MTS2 offers free content. With its growing popularity, some speculate they banned MTS2 to decrease competition. Mentioning MTS2 on the TSR forums or providing a link is immediately deleted, and the member could be banned.
- Jealousy. It is speculated that TSR is jealous of MTS2's popularity. Content creators for free sites, specifically ModtheSims2, say TSR offered them a paying position -- only if they left MTS2, however.
Paysite supporters, anti-MTS2 supporters, and people affiliated with The Sims Resource are believed to be involved in this:
- Dirty Tactics.A anti-MTS2 'article' was released about MTS2's (now former) owner, Stuart Stanfield. Sims 2 players believe one of the writers is an ex-moderator of ModtheSims2. The article discussed a sexual conviction from 2001, although the judge said that Stanfield wasn't a risk to minors. It also says that Stanfield used ModtheSims2 to be in contact with minors. This was never proven. The writers say they have information but sources weren't revealed. Many Sims 2 players question the legitimacy of this article, since one of the writers is an infamous anti-MTS2 supporter known to start drama. This writer is well known on The Sims Resource.
- Stealing. Content creators say that TSR won't remove their content if asked. If a content creator is banned from TSR, their content remains on the site and becomes TSR's property.
- Sharing personal information. The Sims Resource's official rules state this:
"The Forum administrators also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by you. Furthermore, you agree, through your use of this service, to permit the staff of the TSR Forums at The Sims Resource to inform our members if you have broken any of our membership rules or had your membership revoked from the site."
It's not clear how TSR defines complaint.
Why Is EA Allowing The Sims Resource to Run?
It's not clear why EA allows The Sims Resource to run illegally. Creating Sims 2 content for money is illegal according to EA's EULA. Custom content cannot be used to make money, either as a donation or subscription. EA has invited TSR to EA exclusive events and recognizes TSR's popularity on its official site, which baffles many Sims 2 players.
TSR claimed that EA's EULA was changed to support their subscription services, but EA denies this. EA has no plans to change the EULA. EA also says there aren't in any deals with The Sims Resource. EA states that charging for custom content is illegal, and they know about TSR...so why aren't they doing anything? Most speculate it's about money. It costs money to close paysites, and EA isn't willing to do that. EA is involved in many money-specific issues, including the SecuROM controversy. EA hasn't offered victims ways to refund games or receive money for their damaged computers.
The Future for ModtheSims2 and The Sims Resource
So what does the future hold for ModtheSims2 and The Sims Resource? With the anticipated release of The Sims 3, this is what we know so far:
- The Sims Resource will probably run and distribute custom Sims 3 content.
- It's very possible The Sims Resource will charge for Sims 3 content.
- ModtheSims2 won't be distributing Sims 3 content. The site plans to end at Sims 2 content. Considering MTS is a big rival to TSR, this eliminates a lot of competition.
- No word on EA's policy for custom Sims 3 content. Some think the EULA will stay the same.
Although the future is unclear, it's clear that TSR has a lot of power in the Sims 2 realm. With EA unwilling to stop TSR's illegal practices, it will continue to profit off EA.
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29 Comments
Post a Commentinteresting news!! ( a little late for me to read though!) thanks for sharing! I love The sims 3! i write stories on the sims that i create!! :D
I used to get stuff from TSR, but after a little while, I realized that all of the stuff that looked really nice was subscription only, and much of the stuff that was sub-par was free. Also, many things that were called 'free' were actually recolors that were free, but to get the actual object you had to subscribe.
TSR banning mts2 for adult content don't even get me started on tsr Ive seen adult things a swell that children shouldn't be seeing either!
I know that I'm coming in to this a little to late but, modthesims is one of the best sites I've ever been to,and I don't think that as many people would have uploaded GREAT content to that site if this all were true. I've been to both sites and i have to say that I like Mod the sims a whole lot better and oddviosly(SP) so does NUMERATOR who is the BEST modder that I've ever seen EVER!!!!!!
I'm going to have to partly diagree with them banning MTS2 from there site. If you look at some of the creations the artist do they get the meshes from MTS2 and they don't banned them. They also give the artists credit too. As for forums, I have seen a few with MTS2 in them. I don't know why everyone thinks that TSR is a bad site. I haven't joined it but it doesn't look that bad.
T$R is run by hypocrites who lie through their teeth. T$R has many many items that are decidedly adult on its site (there is a very long list at PMBD's forums if you want proof). Some of that stuff is too smutty even for mts2, and tsr want us to believe that adult content is the reason mts2 is banned on their site? get real.
Goodness, seems that there is a lot more Sims controversy than I ever could have imagined!
I have been simming since the first game came out and I am outraged to read this article. TSR is a mediocre site with hardly any good free downloads. I much prefer MTS2 for my hacks and other sorts of custom content. MTS2 has a multitude of talented creators who post their work because they are good people. The top creators and site staff on TSR are making money off of their site, which is, quite frankly, nothing in comparison to MTS2. I have had "Teen Sex" hacks in my game and I know that I did not download them from MTS2. I have also had nude skins, which I did not want, but I had somehow acquired them from the official TS2 site.
I'm not sure how much this will clear up some of the debate here or not. You're going back quite a few years with this tug of war with the sites.
The war between TSR and MTS2 started prior to most of the adult content. Some of it was about a split in the community between believers in free content and believers in pay content. Those of use who are truly the founders of SimPe and the community believed it should all be free. And when we were developing the program, we did it out of a desire to create something utopian that hasn't really been seen before, at least not in a long time. We got a bunch of coders together from all around the world, and we worked together in complete political freedom. We made SimPe out of love, a love of life and freedom. And maybe a little too much romanticism because we still believed that people were generally good. None of us got paid for the work because money wasn't a factor or a goal. And then......there came sites like TSR and others. A
I'm not sure how much this will clear up some of the debate here or not. You're going back quite a few years with this tug of war with the sites.
The war between TSR and MTS2 started prior to most of the adult content. Some of it was about a split in the community between believers in free content and believers in pay content. Those of use who are truly the founders of SimPe and the community believed it should all be free. And when we were developing the program, we did it out of a desire to create something utopian that hasn't really been seen before, at least not in a long time. We got a bunch of coders together from all around the world, and we worked together in complete political freedom. We made SimPe out of love, a love of life and freedom. And maybe a little too much romanticism because we still believed that people were generally good. None of us got paid for the work because money wasn't a factor or a goal. And then......there came sites like TSR and others. A