The newest "threat" to civilization, according to some posts on various blogs, nearly all of which cite Fox News as the primary source of information, is that Christianity, itself, is under attack. As evidence of this, they argue that the general exclusion of the religious icons of one faith or another from public and governmentally funded display or the wish of a diversified people to be free from organized prayer adopted and imposed by one sect or another proves the point. They suggest the abolition of the public recital of Christian (actually mostly Protestant, the Catholic version is, I believe, a phrase shorter) prayer is the cause of youth run amok and without parental supervision or, conversely, that the governmental display of the Ten Commandments would elevate society and moral standards. They also point to the wish to be free of the majority's symbols and ritual as evidence of prejudice against and hatred of Christianity. There are two essential difficulties with these viewpoints. The first is the logical fallacy: post hoc, ergo propter hoc, which assumes that because one event follows another temporally, the first is the cause of the second. For example, the amount of cheese consumed in the United States increased from 4.5 pounds per person in 1909 to 30 pounds in 2001; the amount of ice cream consumed went from three pounds per person to over 15 pounds during the same period Does this mean that the increase in ice cream and cheese consumption is the cause for surly, impolite, grabby, disrespectful children? Of course not! There is a far greater problem with school prayer or the public display of the Ten Commandments. Whose prayer, whose Commandments? Let's take the first issue, whose and what prayer shall be sanctioned. In a subsequent article, I will discuss the very real problems with using the Ten Commandments as a legal framework upon which to base secular law. In 1962, the United States Supreme Court held that, because of the prohibition of the First Amendment against the enactment of any law "respecting an establishment of religion," state officials may not compose an official state prayer and require that it be recited in the public schools of the State at the beginning of each school day - even if the prayer is denominationally neutral and pupils who wish to do so may remain silent or be excused from the room while the prayer is being recited. The prayer was, indeed, written to avoid offending anyone - and ended up offending everyone, including the truly pious who felt the prayer wishy-washy: "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our Country." th century vernacular.] The Court, in Engle v Vitale, was clear in its holding and the reasons for it. "The petitioners contend among other things that the state laws requiring or permitting use of the Regents' prayer must be struck down as a violation of the Establishment Clause because that prayer was composed by governmental officials as a part of a governmental program to further religious beliefs. For this reason, petitioners argue, the State's use of the Regents' prayer in its public school system breaches the constitutional wall of separation between Church and State. We agree with that contention since we think that the constitutional prohibition against laws respecting an establishment of religion must at least mean that in this country it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government." [Emphasis supplied.] I recall a cartoon in The New Yorker at about that time, father to mother, "Now the damn kids will have to pray at home!" In a recent post complaining about overt hostility towards Christians, one writer responded to my comment, "School kids are allowed to pray if they so wish; I certainly said a silent prayer before tests and a less worthy one before some dates. Problems arise when prayers are said aloud in a public ceremony, written or authorized by government and those of a faith other than the majority are asked or pressured by their peers to participate. Question: would you be equally in favor of a public prayer from a Wiccan? How would you feel about your taxes and public space being used to display religious tokens and symbols relating to Islam or, again, Wicca?" My correspondent answered, "Concerning prayer of any faith, by all means, have a Wiccan or Pagan say directions before a game or graduation! Read from the Talmud! Trust me on this Jim, I wouldn't be the least bit offended." I do not for one moment question her statement; however, as a Jew, I do object to my children being pressured to pray to or through a deity they do not recognize. There are basic and fundamental differences. We do not and must not pray in the name of or through Jesus and we have cultural recollection of forced conversions to prove the point. I have vivid memories of being chased by bullies in my grammar school days, calling me a "Christ killer' and yelling that I was responsible for Jesus' death. Priests taught (and do, still) their young parishioners about the "perfidious Jews", resorts and hotels near where I grew up had placards at the front desk that "Jews and dogs" were unwelcome. All in the name of the majority faith that expected me to join in Christmas festivals, the singing of carols and the joining of prayer "in His Name". Please do not expect me to be concerned over alleged persecution of the majority. The minorities among us need protection. There will always be sufficient votes to safeguard the interests of the majority-popular portions of our society. So, first one must examine the question of organized prayer in schools with the initial inquiry: whose prayer? Who will choose? Better to have prayer meaningful, heart-felt, not by rote and sincere as Jesus had urged, privately and not for display. Maybe, God forbid, at home, with family. In the next part of this post, I will point out the same issues arise when the suggestion is made that public governmental display of the Ten Commandments would elevate public behavior. Whose Commandments and whose behavior?
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Post a CommentYouranter, you are correct that in a democracy the majority rules. Democracy has been described as "two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner". That is why the United States IS NOT a democracy but a Republic. A secular Republic, in fact. This country was not founded on Christian principles - that is a myth told by right wing revisionists. It was founded on the secular ideals of The Enlightenment, and the laws of ancient Greece and Rome (pagans). Sorry!
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Very well written! I have enjoyed reading so many of your posts, but felt a need to comment on this one. I agree with you - to a point. I feel that prayer should be allowed in schools, but not required, and not spoken aloud. In Texas, students each day recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag (they can be silent during this if they desire), followed by a "moment of silence". During this moment, each student may pray, meditate, or just make a mental list of things to do. He or she is not required to pray, or even to listen to anyone else pray.
I personally am NOT offended when subjected to public prayer, and would not be offended if the person praying was not of the same religion as me. I would be offended if I was asked to participate in that prayer.
As a Christian, I have never been offended by Christmas programs etc. at school, but have often wondered why schools have such programs when there are children of other faiths attending. I think, if schools are going to have religion
It's funny/sad how Americans gawk at what they consider to be primitive cultures, when most have the same primitive beliefs. I wouldn't want my children in a public school where prayers were said, because I wouldn't want them exposed to such ignorance. Great read, Jim.
A strong proponent of the First Amendment, I don't think the government has any business in the religious arena. But some people do take it too far, fighting any tenuous "evidence" of religion in public life to the point of absurdity. Common sense needs to govern.
Sorry, I forgot how this site works. The comments should be the other way around.
Like they were talking to a trained monkey, they stood around asking me to "say something in German". I got over it. And thank God, either yours or mine, that we can have differences of opinion, yet still respect each other. Isn't that what it all boils down to in the end?
Well written, Jim, but I must disagree. I still hold that a democracy is governed by the majority, not a minority. That is a hard concept to believe when you see how both our societies are knuckling under to the wish of the minorities. However, I will say that, were I in a Muslim country say, and found their beliefs to be contrary or offensive to me, if I would excuse myself from their prayers and let them have at it. I would not demand that they show me special respect or give me special rights just because I am a Christian. I don't beleive that anyone is forcing you or anyone else to come around to their way of thinking or worshipping. Christians have taken many lessons from the Jews and incorporated them into their own beliefs. Our societies were founded on these principles and it just bugs me when a very small minority finds offense at anything that they decide to be offended at. I've been called a Nazi, a Jew killer, had stones thrown at me and had people make fun of my name. Like