Deffinbaugh makes the case that Jesus prays conversationally to the Father such that Jesus is talking to the Father in informal ways such as the way that a person would talk to a friend (Bob Deffinbaugh). One of the problems with such a case is that Jesus and the Father are two of three persons of the same God, so Jesus and the Father are actually talking to themselves when they pray. The point is that conversational prayer for the Father and the Son may be more like internal dialog as opposed to exterior communication between two people.
Deffinbaugh writes that "In the Bible, prayer is closely related to teaching and preaching." (Deffinbaugh) One could however argue that the reason for such usage of prayer in the Bible is because often the person conducting the prayer is being used as an instrument to direct other people. In this regard, prayer does not become a matter of talking to God about problems but instead prayer becomes a matter of God addressing people regarding problems.
Deffinbaugh points out the contrast between the high priestly prayer of Jesus Christ and the prayer of personal agony that Christ prayed in Luke (See Deffinbaugh). A point to be made is that when Christ is praying in agony, then he is directing his feelings toward the Father, but when Christ is shown in his high priestly prayer he is perhaps acting more as an instrument of his Father. The point is that much support could me made for the case that prayer is in a "static state of duplex" between the Father and the Son, such that they do not communicate to one another at the very exact same time, but instead they would take turns talking.
Deffinbaugh makes the case that people need to be careful not to act as through Christ is dependent on others (Deffinbaugh). Such a safeguard that Deffinbaugh would make appears to arise out of the belief that people are choosing of the reaction that they will experience from the Lord and choosing of the investment that people will give to the Lord to produce the good works of the body of Christ. If, however, people are not in the position to choose their activity in the Lord, then such issues do not arise.
In support of Deffinbaugh, however, he does state that, "...since God is sovereign, there is no occasion when God's purposes will not be accomplished." (Deffinbaugh) The point to thus be made is that Deffinbaugh believes that God will do whatever God chooses to do, but the views of Deffinbaugh likely take the form of fatalism instead of complete determinism. If God was determined to do what he chooses to do at all times, then God does not adjust history in a reactionary basis to compensate for the actions of people to cause them to arrive at a fate.
Bibliography:
Deffinbaugh, Bob. The High Priestly Prayer of Jesus: Part I (John 17:1-5). http://www.bible.org/page.php? page_id=2384 (accessed, January 20, 2011).
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Post a CommentThere is such theological soundness here in this Mathew. The true Lords Prayer is not what people assume it is and the one that is the example of one, but you have revealed what truly is the Lord's prayer. Imagine the Son of God, God Himself, praying for us! Incredible. :-)
Hi Mathew, I'm very late at thanking you for your comment at my Plan B article in mid-March! Haven't had a lot of time lately to stop by other peoples' files, unfortunately. Nice to "meet" you are at AC. I also enjoyed your responses at Jack Wellman's article on Shelly Lubben's organization. Big fan of Jack's. Your articles look so interesting. Wish I had time to read all. Thanks again!
What a deep, deep work here Mathew. I think that reciting the Lord's Prayer is useless. It is an arch-type. Only a format to use. I love to use one form such as ACTS: Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving, & Supplication. The real Lord's Prayer is the Priestly Prayer as you mentioned. Imagine that Jesus prays for us! That blows my mind. Great work.